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Discussion in 'Introductions' started by Shaney96, Dec 19, 2017.

Goal: Get 20 new FB friends, approach 5 girls, make-out with 1 girl by January 13, 2018 (finished)

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Each day I am to strike up at least 3 conversations with people, including women.

  1. Fundinn

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    Wow great job! And well done on the journaling, great way to answer back to the blues.
     
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  2. Gort

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    Notification: The previous update has been rated.

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    No more progress updates will come due on this goal (but you can still post them).
    Your goal results will come due on Sat, 13 Jan 2018
     
  3. Shaney96

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    It absolutely is, especially when you've nobody to talk to. It allows you to see things as they are without the doubting mist of the ego.

    Right, so I'll firstly post a few bullet points on some growth-related shit I've done, then will follow up with a spew of introspection and reflection. Feel free to read my drivel, as I appreciate any feedback. I haven't updated recently since I lost my phone in Budapest.

    - Stayed in a 'party hostel' in Budapest. This place was fucking ridiculous. It opened my eyes to how slutty girls can be. I must have conveyed a lot of neediness since I ended up not getting with anyone. Furthermore, I think I still expect girls to make the first move. I'll write more about this below.

    - Had a girl stroking my chest and another girl sucking and kissing my neck on a boat party. She was getting with another guy so, when I went to kiss her, me, her and (unfortunately) the guy had a 3-way kiss.

    - Managed to integrate very well in the party hostel. Almost straight away I was mixing with the AMOGs and ended up having a great time. At one point I had two of the most attractive girls chilling on my bed. I guess this is a sign of my lacking ability to spot IOIs and escalate. I still see shit like this as 'ahh, she doesn't find me attractive, she probably just sees me as cute and a friend.' Yeah I know, my mindset's a little fucked..

    - Since losing my phone, it's forced me to ask plenty of strangers for directions. It's nice to see how receptive so many people are if you carry a strong posture and approach them with a smile.

    - I've been practising maintaining very strong eye-contact and posture. Whenever I'm walking around I notice how much more people move out the way for me when I hold myself high. I also ensure I look in the eyes of people when they walk past, and have also noticed that plenty of girls either look at me and instantly look away when we make eye-contact, or just look at me and we lock eyes until we pass one another.

    - I don't recall everything that's happened over the last few days, but the other day I was told by a restaurant waitress that I look like an actor. I got confused and asked what made her think such a thing. She told me I look like I 'have a lot of charisma'. This was uplifting to here. Today I told a girl at a store that the hat she was wearing was cute. Meh, not totally direct, but it conveyed some attraction.

    - One of the ballsier things I've done was earlier today. I was sat alone in a sandwich bar and there were two girls sat 2 tables away. I opened the set by asking a question then asked to join them. I ended up making them laugh a few times and the conversation seemed to go okay. I felt pretty shitty after I excused myself, but I mean, there's only so much you can say when you're sat trying to eat lunch. The big room for improvement here would've been to say that one of them was cute and to ask for her number. I guess that fear of rejection was so large at that time and I was already feeling really anxious since they weren't making too many attempts at carrying on conversation.


    Right. For the spew:
    So I think I'm generally too hard on myself and don't see myself getting laid any time soon. 'Getting laid' seems to be something of a 'big thing' for me at the moment since I went from a relationship were I was getting laid pretty much every day, to speaking to barely any girls and doing NoFap for almost 2 months now.

    After interactions with girls, I generally beat myself up since 'oh, I didn't get the number' or 'oh, you didn't explicitly state your attraction for her'. Like today, straight after that interaction in the sandwich bar, I walked to a nearby curb to finish my sandwich and felt like such a fucking failure. I was thinking about how comfortable it would be to be comforted by my ex in bed, just being cuddled then go into sex. Yadda yadda yadda, you know, that soppy shit. I should reframe such thinking and actually appreciate that I managed to ask two attractive girls if I could sit with them for lunch and actually converse and make them laugh a little.

    Today I went around some of Florence with this guy from my dorm. I led the day and stated where I wanted to go. He followed my lead and yeah, it was good that I was able to lead the 3-4 hours we were together. I mean, it'd have been better if it were a girl, but there weren't any in my dorm and I don't have the bollocks to walk around the hostel looking for a girl to accompany me for gelato, unfortunately. I learned from today that I do prefer my own company a lot of the time. I feel this is because I get anxious when leading a group of people (or just one person) whom I barely know. I'm perfectly fine in leading my group of friends back home, but that's because I'm familiar with them. I guess I don't want that anxiety, especially when exploring a new city.

    I also get confused as fuck with women (don't we all) in regards to what they think about me when interacting with them. I'd have fucking loved to have known what those two girls were thinking of me today, and what the girls in the hostel in Budapest thought of me. I believe I emanate a lot of strength at the beginning of interactions. I mean, my body language is generally strong and I'm good at holding eye-contact. However, I think that, during interactions, I somehow show weakness and I go from an 'attractive-looking guy' to a 'cute guy who's nice to me'. I think I can go to a 'cute guy who I'd like to fuck' by initiating kino more and escalating. What confused me so much at the hostel is how some guys were able to get laid.. There was this guy who I was sharing a dorm with, and he was weak and pretty needy. For example, a morning after a night out he said to me 'Sorry if I woke you last night, I was fucking this Canadian girl and she was so loud haha'. This basically communicates 'I got laid last night and I want some external validation since the lay itself wasn't enough for me'.

    I think I'm perceived as such:
    "Oh, that guys quite cute and quite attractive. He looks like he's having a good time and is comfortable in his own skin."
    Then, after talking to the girl for a while, it goes one of a few ways, I believe:
    1. "He's too scared to touch me, what a pussy. Oh well, into the friend-zone he goes! I'll still talk to him and chill with him as he's funny as cool, but I'll go get fucked by someone who's in touch with his sexuality".
    2. "He's not interested in me? Does he think he's too good for me or something? Perhaps he's got someone 'better' or has a girlfriend. Oh well, I won't get messed about by him so I'll move onto somebody else!"
    3. "Come on, I've sent you very subtle IOIs already, escalate goddammit! Just touch me or something to show me you're interested!"
     
  4. Shaney96

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    (2 posts due to character limit - please read post above first)
    In the party hostel, I tried escalating with a few girls. There was this one girl who I hit it off with pretty well. At first I probably had a chance, but ended up not escalating. The second day we were laying against each other in the common room. She told me later on that somebody told her that they thought we were partners as we were so casually cuddling in the common room.. I went out the final day and, when I got back, she told me she missed me and needed me to give her the attention she so desired. This summed up how far she'd fucking thrown me in the friend-zone...

    I think I just expect girls to throw themselves at me or something. I still don't understand how so many guys get with girls at clubs and shit. I mean, I'm very comfortable dancing in a club and can be the center of attention in a group. The problem is actually communicating to a girl I'm interested in her. I don't know how to approach a girl when she's dancing in a group. I should try talking to a girl when she's at a bar, then try kino'ing her and dancing with her. I always end up in a fucking all-guys group dancing in a fucking circle.. Joy..

    I think I'm still so shit with making myself vulnerable because, well, I've never really had to. The girl whom I was in an LTR with, well, she popped up to me on Tinder first.. After our first date, she invited me back to hers. The only real time I can think of how I made myself vulnerable was asking her back to mine after our second date then asking her how she'd feel if I kissed her. From my first fuck, it was pretty plain sailing since it was explicitly shown how interested in me she was.

    However, during day-to-day interactions with girls, the only things to pick up on are subtleties. Like today, one of the girls in the sandwich bar was holding very strong eye-contact with me, and the other was asking a few questions. Now, was she holding strong eye-contact because she's a strong character, or because she was interested in me? Was the other girl asking questions to reduce awkwardness in conversation, or because she was interested in me? Now, I'm going to (probably) answer my question here by saying: It doesn't fucking matter. You get your answer by escalating or showing explicit interest by touching them and observing the reaction, or doing something like saying they're cute or asking for their number, then observing their reaction. Such reaction holds your answer.

    I think I've grown from this trip, but I am unable to appreciate how at the moment. I hope that I'll be able to continue doing things I've done away when I'm back home: like making an observation on something and thus 'opening a set'.

    What's funny is how sex comes so naturally to so many people. I mean, I was staying in a fucking party hostel. There was a fucking threesome in the common room. This drunken HB9, after introducing herself, told me and these two other guys "I'm really good at deep-throating. Just something you might want to keep in mind". There were people fucking in dorms, every night. After coming home on my 'exploration' day, I overheard "she's fucked 3 different guys already today", and this was at 7pm. Also, the girl who super-friendzoned me had also apparently sucked champagne off of some guys dick in the common room that same day... And I'm struggling to kiss a girl in a club...?! See why I've been feeling pretty hopeless sometimes? Yeah, I see this is all a process, and I'm much less sexually-experienced than many other guys, but fuck me does it confuse me..


    Anyways, ramblings over. I feel a little more clear-headed after that. If you read it, I appreciate it. I'd appreciate it even more if you can leave some feedback/observations/criticism.
     
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  5. Tom

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    I can relate so much man. Made worse by the fact that getting laid is a direct indicator of improvement.

    Exactly! There are some wet ass chodes bashing to '8 black dudes penetrate blonde bimbos destroyed asshole 3' whilst you are actively approaching and opening girls! Think about that.

    As the red pill say, when in doubt, escalate. If they reject you, fuck them. NEXT. How many girls have you talked with now? Bare girls. 3.5 billion girls in the world.

    Ignore that. With improvement it WILL be you. And you ARE improving. You've got bare interactions above. You had girls in your bed! that's sometyhing dude surely? They trusted you enough, liked you enough to do that? You, and only you conveyed that to them.

    Regarding the points in the first post. Time to just escalate maybe? Any girl. Just try. Practice.

    Nailed it.

    I know this pain. I had a gig in Wales. The car journey down ended up descending into who had the best story about shagging some bitches. Between the 3 dudes in the car the'd smashed over 70 girls. My one and only smash was with a horny Romanian girl who 3 messages in said I've not had sex in a while xD But FUCKING hell those girls are crazy. Wrap up bro. Industrial strength condoms needed. Legit cannot comprehend, legit live hardcore porn in ever room XD

    God damn dude, it feels like the whole world is smaashing but us. Reading the above quote dropped me down a bit too. Fuck anxiety man. You've got this, we've got this. I believe dude. When one of these crazy cum dumpster sluts at a hostel is cuddling you (semi virgin advice inbound) I don't know like just touch, work to the fun areas 2 steps forward 1 step back. Do it bruh. Know that that mad bastard Tom is routing for me. Give em one from me.

    Don't be too hard on yourself. Enjoy the trip. Don't compare yourself to those fuckers and sloots. Compare yourself NOW to the OLD YOU.

    You'll make it brah.

    Hope this helps.
     
  6. Shaney96

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    Yeah man, and linking this to your other point about comparing the current me to the past me does shed light on my progress. Fuck, I know it's personal, but I used to fucking look forward to coming home from Uni to have a wank. Now that's beyond pathetic, yet it's the norm for so many guys?!

    Yup.. It's that escalation that I need to get my hands on (literally, eheh). I am pretty comfortable in having my hand around a girls waist and stroking her softly, but going for a kiss? That shit scares the daylight out of me, it really fucking does.. I guess this just comes with practice though, so I will just push fourth.

    Cheers man, it's good to know that you've others rooting for you; people to give you a 'congratulations boy, you're one step farther away from being a bitch!'. Seriously though, that's appreciated.

    As you essentially mentioned: This is our own, personal journey, and fuck the rest. I grew up basically worshiping every female I came into contact with, and never put myself out to be rejected until I was 18. Of course I'm a little behind, but at least myself, and all you other fuckers on here, are fighting our battles after realizing and accepting the harsh realities of life.
     
  7. Tom

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    SAme man! i'd be chubbing in class just thinking about the weird ass porn I'd be bashing to in 30 mins!


    In the same boat. Not sure what to suggest.

    Fuck yeah man! SLAY BRUH FUCKING SLAY! TELL THE ANXIETY TO SUCK A DICK
     
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  8. James

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    ...and where is this hostel? :D Sounds more like an orgy dungeon, jesus...

    Because you're not testing. Testing is done primarily with your hands. You do have permission to touch women (within staged limits), especially when they're sat on your bed. If you touch a woman and she retracts, she's not buying it. If you touch her and she tolerates or is warm to it, that's how you know. There is no "hey so just checking, are you contemplating my wang inside you at all?". That part doesn't use words. Indeed women almost never tell you what they think of you -- they show what they think of you with their physical concessions.

    Do you want to touch them? Do you want to get the number? It doesn't seem clear you do.

    I get somewhat of the feeling that you're not actually comfortable getting with another woman yet, and that this ex is what's holding you back. Like you're still thinking about your ex (in which case time will fade that). Or maybe that you don't really want to bang a hostel slut, you want something more personal.

    Either way, you're right that this trip has clearly given you growth. It looks quite clear that you're on the way to getting what you want, if you sustain your work.
     
  9. Shaney96

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    Retox, Budapest.

    I do test, but don't observe results. I can and will touch a girl around her waist. The first day I was there, I told this girl to come and sit on my knee. She did so and I had my hand around her as she sat there.

    I just don't escalate beyond that. I go 'oh, she's comfortable enough sitting on my knee with my hand around her. Cool.' I mean, I find it difficult to go from there. For example, we're in a busy common room, the girl's sat on my knee and I'm stroking her waist. We're all chilling and having a laugh. It's not like I can go much further from there. I'm not going to get up and be like 'we gonna fuck'. Perhaps I should interpret that as 'She finds me attractive. I'll keep talking and touching her as normal, and will see tonight about kissing her and going for the lay'? Is that how one would better interpret that?

    And so they shouldn't. It's our job to correctly interpret what they're sub-communicating through their behaviour and act accordingly. Pretty much the reason we're all here and why women confuse the fuck out of us men!

    Yes, yes, and yes. My fear of rejection is what's holding me back, and is something I'm working on through going through these interactions. It's one hell of a process but as long as there's progress being made, I'm on my way.

    I believe I think so much about my ex because it was the only intimate connection I've ever made with a girl, and throughout my life, that's all I really ever wanted. Of course, when I first started reading TRP, and even when I was dating her, I was never too fussed about that. Of course, I'm not totally wanting of this comfort either, I think it's just because I'm in a pretty uncomfortable situation, and that was the most comfortable I've ever felt.

    I also think back to her since that was the only time I've ever been sexual with a woman. I used to have the belief that "no woman will ever find me attractive", and it's taking some doing to rid of that pretty core belief. Thus, sometimes when I'm feeling pretty down, my mind likes to run wild and just think back to certain times because it's telling me 'see? Another rejection. Pah! You're not getting with anyone boy. Your ex is the only one you'll ever have, and now she's getting nailed by someone else!' So yeah, meditation etc. helps restrain such thoughts, but they come about now and again.

    I do not want a relationship. I fully believe that, at my current stage in life, getting into a relationship serves only as getting back in my comfort zone, and would be me running away from personal-development and becoming at one with my sexuality. I don't regret getting into my last relationship, but it definitely hindered my growth overall since I was in no-way motivated to get out of my comfort zone with other girls. Could I have done? Of course.. That's where dread game comes into play. Yet, she got a lot of dread from me just fucking working with another girl, so I had no motive to flirt and get uncomfortable with other girls.

    We live and we learn. Success doesn't come without much failure.
     
  10. Shaney96

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    I reckon it's just a case of trial and error. Developing a knowledge-base on how to act in different situations. I guess, for the most part, you can't really go much past stroking her thigh or whatever in a public environment. I guess that, it's when you've isolated her or are in a club/bar scene that you go for the kiss.

    I believe this is the case because, how many people have you seen just getting off with eachother in a common room or whatever? Not many, unless they're in a relationship, and even then it's still a rarity because of how public such a space is. However, such physical interaction shows the interest from both parties, as long as the girl is allowing you to do such touching or is touching you back. After this interest has been established, it's your job to go for the kiss when you're alone with her.

    I guess I see the kiss as by far the most scary part of an interaction as, many girls will let you touch them, but kissing you back seems to be the absolute indicator of her interest. I am generally okay with touching girls. Yeah, if I find them really attractive, it can be pretty fucking difficult, but going for a kiss with anyone? That shit's intimidating as fuck, and generally requires me to have received a good amount of interest from the girl before I try it.
     
  11. James

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    @Shaney96 well from what I've read, it doesn't sound logical that you are unattractive. I've heard the reports of unattractive men before, and they're very different to yours. You even mentioned yourself of that less attractive guy who got laid.

    It seems your sticking point is the kiss. This of course being "1st base".

    First, you do have the proximity. If she's so close your arm is around her or she's on your knee as you mentioned, that's step 1 already done.

    Step 2 is going for the kiss. This isn't just a "lunge and hope". It has indicators, and ways of recovery.

    One indicator is her facing direction. If as you talk while close, she's constantly facing your way somewhat, it's inviting a kiss. If she's giving any eye contact at that range, it's indicating. You can feel confident going for the kiss in these cases (obviously there are also cases where she won't do this because of her personality).

    On recovery, if she turns away to avoid the kiss, you want the least awkward recovery. Basically acting like it was nothing. This is easily done as follows: move the kiss to her cheek, return to talking. If given her proximity, she's repulsed by that, she's a time waster and was never going to get with you anyway. This will be rare. Following that, try again a bit later, and again a bit later. It'll either end with her "having to go" (she's not sold on you), or head towards sexy time.

    Step 3 is not being hungry for the kiss. It's generally best for the man to end it (and go back to talking or whatever) to maintain tension, unless she's already fully dtf.

    Let us know how it goes.
     
  12. Shaney96

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    @James I wouldn't say I'm unnatractive. I've put plenty of work into myself to feel like I'm a pretty attractive person in regards to looks and general life/hobbies/personality. It's generally getting to the first main stage of sexual contact with a girl that just fucks me up each and every time I guess.

    I'm unsure about how long it will be until I get another update out since I'm fucking off back to sunny England soon, which means back to my lovely little town. I still aim to go out each weekend to do different shit, and I'm going to focus on pursuing hobbies and actually trying to develop some sort of friend group. At the moment I'm at the social point where I just have a group of old school friends that I might see once every couple of months. This is just static and it'd be great to have a good group of strong male friends.

    Cheers for the advice regarding the kiss. I'll keep it in mind for interactions in a local club when I get back or if I can talk to some girls while I'm here in my final destination on this trip.
     
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    I guess there's definitely some irony regarding myself and my situation. I believe myself to be pretty good looking, I have a decent physique, I can hold myself well and maintain eye-contact, and am able to maintain strong frame (generally speaking) in interactions and am generally fine at conversing. Yeah, of course there's a shit-ton that's in constant need of improvement, but I definitely rate myself above the average Joe in regards to how I'm initially perceived.

    That's why I'd find it interesting to know how I'm generally perceived by those I come into fresh contact with. I believe some are even intimidated to open me? I mean, I'm generally always the one to open a conversation, and surely not everyone is that antisocial in hostels, therefore it's potentially because they find me slightly intimidating?

    Anyway, the irony lies where it may appear that I'm all this and all that, but the truth is far from it, in regards to women. I guess that's why getting past those first sexual barriers is the biggest hurdle for me at the moment. I think I've got a few barriers to chip away at, and, once they've been broken down, I feel like I'll be much more liberated. I mean, the idea of having a girl coming on to me and having sex with her is seems really far-fetched and crazy, even though one may look at me and may even think 'I bet he gets laid a lot'. It doesn't really depress that much, as I'm generally past that depressed/angry stage, although those feelings come about now and again as one would expect them to.
     
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    It sounds like you are learning a lot from this trip, and I love reading about these experiences. That hostel sounds like a mad place, but a lot of fun as well.

    I'm not sure I can really add anything as far as advice goes so i'll just say that I sympathise with your mindset. When you have seemingly clear ioi's, lacking the confidence to just make a move is painful, I would love to be able to say I know how to break those barriers down but I'm struggling the same as you. But hey, that's why we are here!


    It's scary how deep it runs right? But I can tell you already understand it's just bullshit floating around in your head (for the majority of people). If you've had girls show interest in you, then you know it's just a case of learning how to present yourself in the right way, and lead the interaction down the correct path to get what you want, anything further than that is out of your hands. It sounds like you are half way there already. Next time an opportunity shows up, you'll be better equipped to make use of it.

    These two are massive, although for me I think I put off an angry or too intimidating vibe rather than weakness, to be honest it fucking sucks to blatantly see people perceive you in a way that doesn't reflect who you are or how you would interact with them.

    I wonder if it would be way too weird to stop and talk to someone who walks past you and just ask them a little about what kind of vibe they were getting from you? That seems insane but learning this stuff is so hard when it's so difficult to get truthful information/analysis since we only ever have our own perception which can be warped by mood/emotion etc.
     
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    Oh yeah, it runs deep. I think the important thing is to accept that it's a belief, and that you need to exercise your mind to rid of such belief. I've been very naive in the past in believing that you can just 'flick a switch' and your belief system can change. I guess I've believed that because you can't see physical progress of the developing brain, like you can in your body as you work out.

    On one hand, yeah, it does, especially when you've few friends and nobody you can really talk to. On the other hand, it's interesting how you can be perceived by new people in your life depending on your initial impression.

    I probably won't have the confidence to do this to a complete randomer, but I've done this before (I don't exactly recall when) out of sheer interest about how I'm initially perceived. I've also been told by a random drunk chavvy guy in my local pub that 'when you first came in and started talking, I though you were an asshole, but after getting to know you a bit, you're an alright guy'. Those were basically his words, and I found it pretty entertaining and, to be honest, quite pleasing that I was able to polarize somebody like that, since I was always a people pleaser and would do my best to not get on the wrong side of anybody, especially those older than me and women.
     
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    So this'll probably be my last update for my trip, since it's my last day in the last city I'm visiting.

    I stated last time I'd have nothing else to report, since I didn't see any opportunities for anything to happen. As I was writing that entry I could hear people talking in the kitchen area of the hostel. I felt pretty anxious about going in as I could hear a couple of guys then a few girls giggling. I eventually went in, introduced myself and got chatting. Unfortunately, the dynamic turned into the 3 guys (myself included) talking, ad the 3 girls talking separately.. Yeah, not great. After a while, with the girls stood across from us, I asked one of them a question to bring the group together. We spoke for about 10 minutes together then we all dispersed as it was getting late.

    The next morning I was awoken by the maid. I was the only one in the dorm as I slept in (no alarm and a lot of walking makes for much sleep). She's a pretty attractive 30-year-old, so I thought I may as well at least flirt. She told me about a diet she was going on, and I teased her about this, and used it as an excuse to touch her arms then her waist. I guess I did some 'push-pull' since I was teasing then making her laugh soon after. We talked about the English accent and shit and I called her accent cute and that she's got an attractive figure.

    I went out later that day. Nothing too interesting other than me going up to a guy whose seat I was waiting for in a restaurant and stating the situation: He was just sat on his phone while I was waiting for his seat. Again, nothing major but it made me anxious to go up and explain the situation, whereas I would otherwise have just sat waiting. Doing what I did prompted him to finish his wine, and I enjoyed watching his sudden eagerness to order his food after putting down his phone.

    After this, I got seated and started talking to this Aussie. Ended up chilling with him after.
    Got back to the hostel and there was the receptionist, her husband, and some Korean chick eating pasta and drinking wine. They invited me to join and I did so, even though I was stuffed (be the 'yes' man). I was pretty tired, but this Korean chick seemed to be relatively exciteable and up for a drink. I said that I was thinking about going out. She seemed pretty excited by this - obvious IoI. Anyways, so everyone's finished the food and the dishes are stacked. The receptionist asks 'who's doing the dishes' and the chick says that I am. Obvious shit test. I respond by saying that she's the woman so it's her duty. She doesn't get properly offended and I make it obvious I'm having a laugh. I eventually make the compromise that we'll do half each, but she's to do the first half. So she fucks off to the kitchen and I'm sat watching music videos with the guy in the living room.

    It felt kinda good, standing my ground and getting what I wanted, but it obviously back-fired after the chick comes back in the living room, having done all the dishes, and is seemingly tired. After like 15 minutes of chilling I suggest we go clubbing, then she starts showing resistance. The receptionist and her guy have fucked off to bed, so it's just me and the girl. She's like 'oh but I don't have clubbing attire', so I say it's basically a bar and you don't need attire. This goes back and fourth somewhat, and I eventually say something along the lines of 'if you're going, then I will - I'm not bothered. If you don't wanna go, then goodnight'. She tells me she's tired, and off she fucks to bed.

    That's pretty much the story. Yeah, I probably missed nuances out, but that's the jist of it. Key takeaways from this interaction are:
    - Strike while the iron's hot. I probably did piss her off by ditching her to do the dishes, and I could hear that her and the receptionist were talking in the kitchen, the receptionist probably putting me down for making her do it all. I should instead have made the compromise for us both to do them sooner, and then gone out straight after the dishes were done, so she was still relatively excited about going dancing and wouldn't form the 'I'm tired' excuse.
    - Be a fucking leader. How much of a bitchy thing was it to say 'if you're going, then I will'... Yeah, I was tired and felt incredibly full of food and wanted to actually do something on my last day.. But what if I'd gotten laid? Exactly.. No excuse! Instead of 'if you're going, then I will', I should've been a man and taken the lead! 'Come on, I'm going, and you're coming with me', 'Maybe I'll buy you the first drink, if you're lucky, now come on'. Literally anything like that would probably have gotten her out the door. Her attitude went from 'I'm not sleeping as I have an early morning flight - let's party!' to 'I'm sleepy. Not going out'.

    This morning I was again awoken by the maid (12 fucking hours sleep..). In fact, she awoke me 1st by literally blurting out 'why are you not in your own bed?', which was bitchy as fuck and I just gave my answer and went back to sleep. The next time I awoke, I was tempted to just ignore what she'd said earlier and be about my day. She was cleaning as I awoke and didn't even look at me. I thought 'fuck it' and confronted her about what made her awake me to ask such a thing. She suddenly starts apologizing and explains that she's not had a good day. After apologizing 3 times, I say that I forgive her. She starts talking to me about her diet again and how she's got some croissant-restriction going on. I make fun of her, poke her waist, and have a laugh. She then goes on to tell me that I emanate positivity, and that she'd had a really bad day today, but I've just made her feel happy.

    You know, I hadn't had her bent over, fucking her from behind, but I'd confronted her about something I was dissatisfied with, then had an enjoyable conversation and flirted a little. I also broke my NoFap streak. I beat myself up a little about this, but I'm not actually too bothered about it as not fapping for almost 2 months had had the effect of me getting stupidly horny multiple times a day, which hasn't at all been enjoyable.
     
  17. Tom

    Tom Active Member

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    Maybe she just wanted to smash?

    Ok, lets stay in and play chess all night ;) ? Cheeky smile to try and convey what's about to go down? Again, no idea what I'm saying but just a thought.

    bruh maids do me in too xD I wouldn't sweat it. It's only a fap.
     
  18. Shaney96

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    Perhaps, but I doubt it. I say 'I doubt it' since I've little experience, and perhaps there was a possibility to fuck her. Me and a group went out tonight and I did pleny of kino on her, and she as touching me back quite a lot.

    Tonight was pretty successful in the sense that I got a group of around 8 of us to go and get gelato. I basically got all the different groups of us in the common room to agree to getting gelato together. I then gave the time we were leaving and said made the call when we were going and lead us to the place. You know, perhaps I could've kissed that bird, but it was a little difficult since she spent most of the night with her sister and hopping around talking to different people. Again, I say I could've kissed her, and I probably could've, but dwelling on such lack of results is futile, and I believe I should instead be satisfied on doing such things that I would normally be too scared of doing.
     
  19. Tom

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    For sure! The organisation thing was a good idea and she would have seen it!
     
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